kushner, and it was really quite a panel. the first thing i said was how great it was to see bipartisanship here. but let me tell you what -- i think you know how great the movie is. i've now seen it twice. it's better the second time. but it shows you that government can do important, good things for the cause of human dignity. and that it takes work and it is hard. it takes focus. and presidential leadership. and you have to think about the good of the country. and it shows that government can be a force of good. and, of course, you know, in my work sometimes it's so exhilarating and sometimes it's so frustrating. and you get -- you just throw up your hands. but we can do it. if lincoln could do what he did, which was an amazing feat to outlaw slavery when everything, all the cards were stacked against him, as a matter of fact, i think it was tony kushner who said tonight we had the fiscal cliff. there it was the 13th amendment cliff. no one knew whether it would pass until the actual votes were taken. so we're faced with t